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I have this feeling like the S4 maintenance team (balance patchers) and Sakurai's S5 ventures were somewhat separate. I think he's not as good as Smash 4 MarthД«ut I think top 20 is just barely possible. For those last two points, the fact that Marth's design always fit competive Smash, and the dash changes. For those with good spacing and funamentals, it's easy to pick him up. For those that used Marth, all that skill will transfer.

The most important thing to mention is that Marth is a simple character that is almost unchanged from Smash 4 when you look into the grand scheme of things. This is primarily why all the top players that have tried the game said that they like him.

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The nearly halved landing lag from most characters, including Marth, highly benefit Marth вЂ“ giving him free reign in the air (like Melee/Brawl) and powerful approach and pressure tools.

Marth's aerials have always been fast, disjointed, and long-range. Assuming everyone's initial dash now is uniform like rumored, these dash changes benefit Marth far more. Because of these, we had to do things like resort to walking, which was good but had slow acceleration вЂ“ so no boost mobility there. The first one made him historically weak to projectiles. In the last three games, Marth had a garabge initial dash length/dash to shield, dash turnaround, and dash stopping. HOWEVER, the game changes favor him more than other characters. To summarize, nerfs were made to his main approach options, damage-racking tools, and kill options.

Knockback reduction is seen in Fair (and possibly/probably more aerials), Usmash, and DB so far. Marth also lost: throw combos and aerial strings вЂ“ two other major damage-racking tools вЂ“ but other charactets saw those too. This would be his aerials, DB, and the lack of Jab combos. Marth however, does comparatively less damage to his major damage-racking tools. 1 damage bonus made them look like powerhouses. The other characters did not generally see a reduction in damage, which meant the 1 v. There's been a significantly nerfed Jab, DB, DS, kill power, and damage. Sakurai's team clearly treated him like a top tier on their initial balancing campaign. The sweetspot does far more hitlag now, so people have time to react and DI correctly (on stage) or stage tech (off stage).Д¬lick to expand.Marth was one of the few characters that were nerfed. Rage Uthrow carried Marth in Smash 4.Д®dit: EWW! Huge nerf to DS. Even with just 13 frames of landing lag on Dair, Salem still couldn't combo Dair to Uair.ДЄlso after both Dairs, Zelda kept footstooling out and get this, using frame by frame, Zelda was granted invincibility on the footstools! There's no way that's in Smash 4.ДЄnyone see any Uthrow kills? I haven't seen any and I wonder if it's still strong. It's amazing how little hitstun there is in this game. This game did not get lazy with animations, which are hard work. Even his idle animation is different, the way he bounces on his toes and such. His Counter cooldown animation is also different. In Smash 4, incorrect DI on Fthrow is how we got combos. It also seems this Fthrow is more reactable, and therefore easy to DI. I certainly know it isn't comboing a shame, because Fthrow can be quite an easy start to a zero-to-death even in Smash 4. Fthrow could also be a hilt attack (your second link does show it at the very end, you said it does not). Smash 4 Marth needed patches to get to the aerial strength of Brawl Marth, but already had similar ground strength. Brawl weakened the ground tippers and strengthened the aerials. Melee had strong tippers (Dsmash, Utilt, even Usmash/Fsmash), but also weak ones (all of the aerials). I haven't seen enough of the others at kill percents. These include tipper Usmash (wish they'd compensate with less end lag, but no), tipper Fair, tipper Uair. That said, I will say many tippers are noticeably weaker. So I'm not sure what that person meant when they claimed they function like Melee. Or how tipper Uair is one of the hardest tippers in Smash 4 Marth, yet in Melee/Brawl it's literally far more difficult to avoid tipper Uair. Compare 'tipper' Dair from Melee to Brawl. Those moves I mentioned from Melee are extremely easy to tipper. Click to expand.In Melee, the only moves where the tipper hitbox out-prioritized the others were: Usmash, Uair, Dair.

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